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		<title>By: Rhyli</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 04:05:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow! I&#039;m late in the Game- exactly a year, apparently, but no less excited!&lt;br&gt;So many bits in my mind. I hope people are still reading.&lt;br&gt;I have a few ideas. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt; The lines &quot; I pulled you and I called you here&quot;,( I caught you /brought you) in H4 make me think that W maybe had seen M wandering around the forest before and perhaps set himself up to be in her way when she was out. He already had &quot;the wanting&quot;. He apparently did not actually have a broken leg...    There isn&#039;t much else to support that. oooo, but I just thought of this... maybe &quot; the prettiest whistles cant&#039; wrestle the thistles undone&quot; phrase refers to HIS force of nature( when here her plans were vexed).  I had already thought of that line as a reference to &quot;you(human) can&#039;t change nature.&quot;  That would follow.   The next line- &quot;Undone&quot;. oops &lt;br&gt;At first I thought  that  this line was backwards! Obviously, he wrestled her thistle undone with his pretty whistles, but if its Nature(Q) not Her(M), it kind of makes sense.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;(the prettiest whistles cant&#039; wrestle the thistles undone)  &quot; In fact, this line may be the key commentary on the overall story and what is meant by the hazards of love.&quot; Though we came to different conclusions, I have to agree with Kyle from above! &lt;br&gt;Anyone know who or what is screamed at the end?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;  There is something that seems backwards on most posts- W is NOT of the river, he is a Forest&#039;s Son.  Also, a Glen is a &quot;narrow valley&quot; or a &quot;small secluded valley&quot;, so not a river. Reedy though, so wet-clearly has a river running in it.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;ve warmed up to the idea of W being Isaiah. I think all of the references to the cradle of clay and how She Labored him from Ore seems to say that she brought him back to life.  &lt;br&gt; She mentions his miseries though. ( Remember when I found you,The miseries that hounded you) and how she  Stole him? From Death? &lt;br&gt; Isaiah&#039;s part of H3 is sung by the children not W...  and all the children DO return(&quot;but Father your children all are here&quot;), not just Isaiah. AND Isaiah is the oldest, not a baby at death. So, never mind. Not Isaiah, but probably dead.   I kind of think  the Rake and his children are just a good tool for the abduction and release. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;What makes M a River&#039;s Daughter? we don&#039;t know.  I think she is in a nunnery(an orphan, found in the river like Moses?) and the cistern line is asking her when is she due and who is the horrible man who would defile a nun? Or maybe shes not a novice- its just an orphanage run by nuns...&lt;br&gt; The line about lithesome maidens makes it clear they are not prostitutes(as suggested).&lt;br&gt; I think the 14 occupations paid may be either the girls fooling around with each other or themselves... M will not be satisfied with that! Her hands clasped her thigh-that&#039;s sexual frustration, baby.  It&#039;s not work- it&#039;s an idle hour, nor periods-  they also don&#039;t just happen in an idle hour- what do ya do with an idle hour?  and Here is M, the one whose actually had sex- thinking to the girls, &quot; you&#039;ll find out soon enough-&quot;&lt;br&gt;But Margaret heaves a sigh&lt;br&gt;Her hands clasped to her thigh&lt;br&gt;Singing: oh, the hazards of love&lt;br&gt;Oh the hazards of love&lt;br&gt;You’ll learn soon enough&lt;br&gt;The prettiest whistles won’t wrestle the thistle undone...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt; He says her waist is widening so its been some months but  I find it hard to believe the Rake would want a really big pregnant girl, so I think it must be that nice time where we have a little extra meat but aren&#039;t really big yet. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt; I think the rest of the story takes place in two nights. The night she runs off to find W and the next night she is abducted and saved. &lt;br&gt;They definitely die pregnant. Again, the Rake would not take the baby, so they have no baby on the boat.  There would have been some mention of the birth and definitely of the baby being left somewhere or dieing. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;thanks for this! really fun. &lt;br&gt; If you are all not totally over this subject, we found a beautiful dance performance done by the U of Colorado. Highly recommend it!  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DsnGKhIR3M&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DsnGKhIR3M&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow! I&#39;m late in the Game- exactly a year, apparently, but no less excited!<br />So many bits in my mind. I hope people are still reading.<br />I have a few ideas. </p>
<p> The lines &#8221; I pulled you and I called you here&#8221;,( I caught you /brought you) in H4 make me think that W maybe had seen M wandering around the forest before and perhaps set himself up to be in her way when she was out. He already had &#8220;the wanting&#8221;. He apparently did not actually have a broken leg&#8230;    There isn&#39;t much else to support that. oooo, but I just thought of this&#8230; maybe &#8221; the prettiest whistles cant&#39; wrestle the thistles undone&#8221; phrase refers to HIS force of nature( when here her plans were vexed).  I had already thought of that line as a reference to &#8220;you(human) can&#39;t change nature.&#8221;  That would follow.   The next line- &#8220;Undone&#8221;. oops <br />At first I thought  that  this line was backwards! Obviously, he wrestled her thistle undone with his pretty whistles, but if its Nature(Q) not Her(M), it kind of makes sense.</p>
<p>(the prettiest whistles cant&#39; wrestle the thistles undone)  &#8221; In fact, this line may be the key commentary on the overall story and what is meant by the hazards of love.&#8221; Though we came to different conclusions, I have to agree with Kyle from above! <br />Anyone know who or what is screamed at the end?</p>
<p>  There is something that seems backwards on most posts- W is NOT of the river, he is a Forest&#39;s Son.  Also, a Glen is a &#8220;narrow valley&#8221; or a &#8220;small secluded valley&#8221;, so not a river. Reedy though, so wet-clearly has a river running in it.  </p>
<p>I&#39;ve warmed up to the idea of W being Isaiah. I think all of the references to the cradle of clay and how She Labored him from Ore seems to say that she brought him back to life.  <br /> She mentions his miseries though. ( Remember when I found you,The miseries that hounded you) and how she  Stole him? From Death? <br /> Isaiah&#39;s part of H3 is sung by the children not W&#8230;  and all the children DO return(&#8220;but Father your children all are here&#8221;), not just Isaiah. AND Isaiah is the oldest, not a baby at death. So, never mind. Not Isaiah, but probably dead.   I kind of think  the Rake and his children are just a good tool for the abduction and release. </p>
<p>What makes M a River&#39;s Daughter? we don&#39;t know.  I think she is in a nunnery(an orphan, found in the river like Moses?) and the cistern line is asking her when is she due and who is the horrible man who would defile a nun? Or maybe shes not a novice- its just an orphanage run by nuns&#8230;<br /> The line about lithesome maidens makes it clear they are not prostitutes(as suggested).<br /> I think the 14 occupations paid may be either the girls fooling around with each other or themselves&#8230; M will not be satisfied with that! Her hands clasped her thigh-that&#39;s sexual frustration, baby.  It&#39;s not work- it&#39;s an idle hour, nor periods-  they also don&#39;t just happen in an idle hour- what do ya do with an idle hour?  and Here is M, the one whose actually had sex- thinking to the girls, &#8221; you&#39;ll find out soon enough-&#8221;<br />But Margaret heaves a sigh<br />Her hands clasped to her thigh<br />Singing: oh, the hazards of love<br />Oh the hazards of love<br />You’ll learn soon enough<br />The prettiest whistles won’t wrestle the thistle undone&#8230;</p>
<p> He says her waist is widening so its been some months but  I find it hard to believe the Rake would want a really big pregnant girl, so I think it must be that nice time where we have a little extra meat but aren&#39;t really big yet. </p>
<p> I think the rest of the story takes place in two nights. The night she runs off to find W and the next night she is abducted and saved. <br />They definitely die pregnant. Again, the Rake would not take the baby, so they have no baby on the boat.  There would have been some mention of the birth and definitely of the baby being left somewhere or dieing. </p>
<p>thanks for this! really fun. <br /> If you are all not totally over this subject, we found a beautiful dance performance done by the U of Colorado. Highly recommend it!  <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DsnGKhIR3M" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DsnGKhIR3M</a></p>
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		<title>By: Rhyli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rhyli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 02:13:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sorry, to continue..&lt;br&gt; No matter what you do, you can not make thistles open.</description>
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		<title>By: Rhyli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rhyli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 02:08:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That line has bothered me , as well. I came to think its a &quot;Don&#039;t mess with Mother Nature&quot; line. As in, no matter how or what you do, Mother Nature still always wins.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That line has bothered me , as well. I came to think its a &#8220;Don&#39;t mess with Mother Nature&#8221; line. As in, no matter how or what you do, Mother Nature still always wins.</p>
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		<title>By: Siek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Siek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 22:02:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pamelala,

It&#039;s possible but I don&#039;t think so. William&#039;s mother is not the Queen. He was adopted by the Queen and given the ability to change shape to keep him from the world of Man by day. 

While they technically could be brothers, I don&#039;t see anything to suggest that in the lyrics.</description>
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<p>It&#8217;s possible but I don&#8217;t think so. William&#8217;s mother is not the Queen. He was adopted by the Queen and given the ability to change shape to keep him from the world of Man by day. </p>
<p>While they technically could be brothers, I don&#8217;t see anything to suggest that in the lyrics.</p>
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		<title>By: William</title>
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		<dc:creator>William</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 03:21:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, I would&#039;ve never gotten that out together so nicely.  I guess I needed the lyric booklet.  When colin sings two different characters parts I took them as the same character.  Like the Rake and William.  Oops.  Thanks A lot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, I would&#8217;ve never gotten that out together so nicely.  I guess I needed the lyric booklet.  When colin sings two different characters parts I took them as the same character.  Like the Rake and William.  Oops.  Thanks A lot.</p>
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		<title>By: pamelala</title>
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		<dc:creator>pamelala</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 01:53:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As she has already,,The Rake is her last child gone wrong. The Rake is Williams older brother who was influenced by the passion of the flesh, that is why the queen only allows William to be a man by nite. HMMMMM think bout it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As she has already,,The Rake is her last child gone wrong. The Rake is Williams older brother who was influenced by the passion of the flesh, that is why the queen only allows William to be a man by nite. HMMMMM think bout it.</p>
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		<title>By: Lindsey</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 03:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The CD insert has the lyrics as &quot;a river&#039;s son, a forest&#039;s daughter,&quot; but Colin sings it as &quot;a forest&#039;s son, a river&#039;s daughter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The CD insert has the lyrics as &#8220;a river&#39;s son, a forest&#39;s daughter,&#8221; but Colin sings it as &#8220;a forest&#39;s son, a river&#39;s daughter.</p>
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		<title>By: Lindsey</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 21:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The CD insert has the lyrics as &quot;a river&#039;s son, a forest&#039;s daughter,&quot; but Colin sings it as &quot;a forest&#039;s son, a river&#039;s daughter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The CD insert has the lyrics as &#8220;a river&#39;s son, a forest&#39;s daughter,&#8221; but Colin sings it as &#8220;a forest&#39;s son, a river&#39;s daughter.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephanie Giles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephanie Giles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 11:52:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally agree. Thats the way I was interpreting the lyrics. William was obviously in a bad state when the Queen found him, dead or dieing.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;(also agree with someone further up that this is a typical Decemberist depressing version of Tam Lin. The motifs are exactly the same.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree. Thats the way I was interpreting the lyrics. William was obviously in a bad state when the Queen found him, dead or dieing.</p>
<p>(also agree with someone further up that this is a typical Decemberist depressing version of Tam Lin. The motifs are exactly the same.)</p>
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		<title>By: ZanGilani</title>
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		<description>i think the line when will you trouble the waters of the cistern is fairly straightforward. no need to search for metaphorical allusions.

it just means she hasnt had her period yet i.e. troubled the waters of the toilet. which means the question being asked is if youve missed your period it means youre pregnant. collin however refers to it a lot more stylistically and euphemistically</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think the line when will you trouble the waters of the cistern is fairly straightforward. no need to search for metaphorical allusions.</p>
<p>it just means she hasnt had her period yet i.e. troubled the waters of the toilet. which means the question being asked is if youve missed your period it means youre pregnant. collin however refers to it a lot more stylistically and euphemistically</p>
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		<title>By: Whale in a Cubicle &#183; CONCERT: The Decemberists at The Murat Theatre</title>
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		<dc:creator>Whale in a Cubicle &#183; CONCERT: The Decemberists at The Murat Theatre</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] actual Hazards of Love part of the show was fun, full of animal-morphing mischief, slashing guitar riffs, Colin Meloy sticking rigidly in character and Shara Worden conjuring up [...]

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		<title>By: EveretteMP</title>
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		<description>Isiah also says in &quot;Hazards 3&quot; that he was reduced to ash and buried in an urn which the Queen could have been referring to as his being &quot;entombed in a cradle of clay.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isiah also says in &#8220;Hazards 3&#8243; that he was reduced to ash and buried in an urn which the Queen could have been referring to as his being &#8220;entombed in a cradle of clay.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Concert Review: The Decemberists 09/30/09 &#124; firsttube.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Concert Review: The Decemberists 09/30/09 &#124; firsttube.com</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] an old college friend of mine to see The Decemberists, who are touring in support of their &#8220;Hazards of Love&#8221; album. As expected, the concert did not [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Kristen</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 20:20:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it&#039;s A Bower Scene not Bower Song. 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it&#8217;s A Bower Scene not Bower Song. </p>
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		<description>Two things I wanted to comment on - thistledown is mentioned in the song as well. I think that when they lay together it&#039;s actually soft down - there is a correlation between love and sorrow/pain being part of the same thing. 

My second comment had more to do with the printing of the lyrics - whoever did this does not understand printing very well. When you reverse out white, you need to consider dot gain from the black ink which fills in the letters. It might have looked fine on someone&#039;s screen - but they did not adjust for the gain. There are also some space artifacts (mostly the names) and a few spelling errors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two things I wanted to comment on &#8211; thistledown is mentioned in the song as well. I think that when they lay together it&#8217;s actually soft down &#8211; there is a correlation between love and sorrow/pain being part of the same thing. </p>
<p>My second comment had more to do with the printing of the lyrics &#8211; whoever did this does not understand printing very well. When you reverse out white, you need to consider dot gain from the black ink which fills in the letters. It might have looked fine on someone&#8217;s screen &#8211; but they did not adjust for the gain. There are also some space artifacts (mostly the names) and a few spelling errors.</p>
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