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		<title>By: Adam S</title>
		<link>http://firsttube.com/read/a-suggestion-for-apple-in-2007/comment-page-1/#comment-544</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 11:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I still don&#039;t agree with the logic in the article, but I will admit to being wrong in thinking Apple would never release Safari for Windows.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Well, you&#039;d be right then, because the logic is only partly right.  The primary reason for Safari/Win is obviously iPhone development.  But certainly that&#039;s an extension of web devs needing access to the Safari rendering engine, which was my main point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I still don&#8217;t agree with the logic in the article, but I will admit to being wrong in thinking Apple would never release Safari for Windows.</i></p>
<p>Well, you&#8217;d be right then, because the logic is only partly right.  The primary reason for Safari/Win is obviously iPhone development.  But certainly that&#8217;s an extension of web devs needing access to the Safari rendering engine, which was my main point.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 03:54:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still don&#039;t agree with the logic in the article, but I will admit to being wrong in thinking Apple would never release Safari for Windows.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still don&#8217;t agree with the logic in the article, but I will admit to being wrong in thinking Apple would never release Safari for Windows.</p>
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		<title>By: guest</title>
		<link>http://firsttube.com/read/a-suggestion-for-apple-in-2007/comment-page-1/#comment-124</link>
		<dc:creator>guest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 09:15:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.apple.com/safari/download/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.apple.com/safari/download/" rel="nofollow">http://www.apple.com/safari/download/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Arvin Montecillo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arvin Montecillo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 20:14:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, if you try to install safari into windows, will there be an effect like: will your OS crash down or will it just display a message that you cannot install this software to this operating system? I really want to try it out. Unfortunately I have a bad feeling about this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, if you try to install safari into windows, will there be an effect like: will your OS crash down or will it just display a message that you cannot install this software to this operating system? I really want to try it out. Unfortunately I have a bad feeling about this.</p>
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		<title>By: Reece Chippendale</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reece Chippendale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Feb 2007 22:54:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i hope none you genius&#039;s is familiar with the term &quot;running native&quot; in the correct context and the implication on all posts on this subject, if you are then why was Mr.Common sense unable to prevent you wasting your time!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i hope none you genius&#8217;s is familiar with the term &#8220;running native&#8221; in the correct context and the implication on all posts on this subject, if you are then why was Mr.Common sense unable to prevent you wasting your time!</p>
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		<title>By: jeremy liew</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeremy liew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jan 2007 17:44:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I doubt that it will happen as I don&#039;t think there will be any real economic benefits to Apple to doing so. I used to be GM of Netscape and I found that there is only room in the public&#039;s mind for a default browser, and one browser alternative. Safari would find itself fighting with Firefox for share instead of fighting with IE. If you&#039;re interested, I blog more in detail about it at:&lt;br /&gt;
lsvp.wordpress.com/2007/01/14/safari-for-windows-and-the-power-of-the-default/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I doubt that it will happen as I don&#8217;t think there will be any real economic benefits to Apple to doing so. I used to be GM of Netscape and I found that there is only room in the public&#8217;s mind for a default browser, and one browser alternative. Safari would find itself fighting with Firefox for share instead of fighting with IE. If you&#8217;re interested, I blog more in detail about it at:<br />
lsvp.wordpress.com/2007/01/14/safari-for-windows-and-the-power-of-the-default/</p>
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		<title>By: Luis Alejandro Masanti</title>
		<link>http://firsttube.com/read/a-suggestion-for-apple-in-2007/comment-page-1/#comment-52</link>
		<dc:creator>Luis Alejandro Masanti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 15:34:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AFAIK, even if the &quot;porting&quot; of Safari to Windowds is &quot;perfect&quot;, it won&#039;t be a REAL test platform for web applications on Mac OS X.&lt;br /&gt;
You must test the site with the browser in the operating system.&lt;br /&gt;
Of course, it will be better than no testing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AFAIK, even if the &#8220;porting&#8221; of Safari to Windowds is &#8220;perfect&#8221;, it won&#8217;t be a REAL test platform for web applications on Mac OS X.<br />
You must test the site with the browser in the operating system.<br />
Of course, it will be better than no testing.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 14:35:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, it&#039;s not HTML.</description>
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		<title>By: Adam S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 13:51:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The more Mac applications are available on Windows, the less reason to switch.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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I don&#039;t see it that way.  I see it as the less daunting the switch becomes.  Running Mac apps on Windows is not the &quot;best of both worlds&quot; you&#039;re pretending it would be.  &lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;i&gt;Since every other major browser is free, they&#039;d have a hard time charging for Safari.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Who said anything about charging? I would never pay for Safari.  I don&#039;t even use it on Mac. &lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;i&gt;if I already have iTunes, Quicktime, and Safari on my PC for free, I&#039;d have to REALLY love Apple to buy a whole new machine just to use the Mac versions of iTunes, Quicktime, and Safari.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Believe me, very few people are switching because of iTunes, Quicktime, or Safari. No one switches for iTunes, they already have it on Windows! They might switch iLife.  Or the eye candy of the system.  for You make it out like those are the draw! The draw is *usually* one of two things:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
1. The motivation to get OFF of Windows, which is a maintenance nightmare and still, even with XP, is tough to keep spyware free for the *average* user.  Windows XP degrades over time as the registry bloats up and the file hierarchy gets littered with crap.  &lt;br /&gt;
  &lt;br /&gt;
2. People who want the Mac glitz and the enjoyment of the OS X.  Safari is just a means to an end.  It&#039;s not even that great.  But it&#039;s certainly nice to be able to feel at home on a new platform.  That&#039;s what Safari brings.  It eases the transition for switchers.  &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
My friend Keith bought a Mac and returned it because it was so foreign.  If he knew more about the platform and wasn&#039;t so lost, he might have kept it. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
In short, I think your theory is based on an assumption that Safari is a draw, rather than a simple tool.  It&#039;s marketing.  It&#039;s no different than playing an ad on TV.  You don&#039;t recoup the cost directly, but rather, in consumer mindshare.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The more Mac applications are available on Windows, the less reason to switch.</i></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see it that way.  I see it as the less daunting the switch becomes.  Running Mac apps on Windows is not the &#8220;best of both worlds&#8221; you&#8217;re pretending it would be.  </p>
<p><i>Since every other major browser is free, they&#8217;d have a hard time charging for Safari.</i></p>
<p>Who said anything about charging? I would never pay for Safari.  I don&#8217;t even use it on Mac. </p>
<p><i>if I already have iTunes, Quicktime, and Safari on my PC for free, I&#8217;d have to REALLY love Apple to buy a whole new machine just to use the Mac versions of iTunes, Quicktime, and Safari.</i></p>
<p>Believe me, very few people are switching because of iTunes, Quicktime, or Safari. No one switches for iTunes, they already have it on Windows! They might switch iLife.  Or the eye candy of the system.  for You make it out like those are the draw! The draw is *usually* one of two things:</p>
<p>1. The motivation to get OFF of Windows, which is a maintenance nightmare and still, even with XP, is tough to keep spyware free for the *average* user.  Windows XP degrades over time as the registry bloats up and the file hierarchy gets littered with crap.  </p>
<p>2. People who want the Mac glitz and the enjoyment of the OS X.  Safari is just a means to an end.  It&#8217;s not even that great.  But it&#8217;s certainly nice to be able to feel at home on a new platform.  That&#8217;s what Safari brings.  It eases the transition for switchers.  </p>
<p>My friend Keith bought a Mac and returned it because it was so foreign.  If he knew more about the platform and wasn&#8217;t so lost, he might have kept it. </p>
<p>In short, I think your theory is based on an assumption that Safari is a draw, rather than a simple tool.  It&#8217;s marketing.  It&#8217;s no different than playing an ad on TV.  You don&#8217;t recoup the cost directly, but rather, in consumer mindshare.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 12:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s such a flawed theory I hardly know where to begin.&lt;br /&gt;
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The more Mac applications are available on Windows, the less reason to switch.  iTunes makes sense to port to Windows because it translates into iPod and Store sales.  Quicktime makes sense because it&#039;s part of iTunes and because Windows users (mostly video editors) will buy the Pro version to do encoding.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Since every other major browser is free, they&#039;d have a hard time charging for Safari.  Only the hardcore Apple lovers would buy it, and charging makes it less likely developers would buy it to test with.  So, Safari only translates into money for Apple if a user switches, and if I already have iTunes, Quicktime, and Safari on my PC for free, I&#039;d have to REALLY love Apple to buy a whole new machine just to use the Mac versions of iTunes, Quicktime, and Safari.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s such a flawed theory I hardly know where to begin.</p>
<p>The more Mac applications are available on Windows, the less reason to switch.  iTunes makes sense to port to Windows because it translates into iPod and Store sales.  Quicktime makes sense because it&#8217;s part of iTunes and because Windows users (mostly video editors) will buy the Pro version to do encoding.</p>
<p>Since every other major browser is free, they&#8217;d have a hard time charging for Safari.  Only the hardcore Apple lovers would buy it, and charging makes it less likely developers would buy it to test with.  So, Safari only translates into money for Apple if a user switches, and if I already have iTunes, Quicktime, and Safari on my PC for free, I&#8217;d have to REALLY love Apple to buy a whole new machine just to use the Mac versions of iTunes, Quicktime, and Safari.</p>
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		<title>By: johnny</title>
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		<dc:creator>johnny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 11:16:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t the iTunes Music Store HTML. I would bet iTunes for windows already uses WebCore to display the Music Store and if thats the case its already ported and wouldn&#039;t take much more to finish porting safari.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t the iTunes Music Store HTML. I would bet iTunes for windows already uses WebCore to display the Music Store and if thats the case its already ported and wouldn&#8217;t take much more to finish porting safari.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jan 2007 11:20:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unless your assertion is that Apple has a limited development staff, there&#039;s no reason why this couldn&#039;t be another group of developers and therefore, not effect Apple&#039;s current customers at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unless your assertion is that Apple has a limited development staff, there&#8217;s no reason why this couldn&#8217;t be another group of developers and therefore, not effect Apple&#8217;s current customers at all.</p>
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		<title>By: F. Jackson</title>
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		<dc:creator>F. Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jan 2007 10:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to see Safari on Windows too.  Until now I never thought about what kind of effect it would have.  I don&#039;t think they will release it because I think there are many things they could do to cater to CURRENT Apple customers first, but if it came out I would use it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to see Safari on Windows too.  Until now I never thought about what kind of effect it would have.  I don&#8217;t think they will release it because I think there are many things they could do to cater to CURRENT Apple customers first, but if it came out I would use it.</p>
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		<title>By: AS</title>
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		<dc:creator>AS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jan 2007 08:24:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;never gonna happen. apple has no chance of competing against internet explorer and firefox. what good is safari on win if nobody uses it?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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First of all, web developers WILL use it.  I test my code on IE, FF, Safari, and Opera.  That&#039;s a start.  It&#039;s nice for a Mac user to not be told they must upgrade to IE 6 or greater when they visit their bank&#039;s website.  &lt;br /&gt;
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Secondly, eventually, people WILL use it.  People who use Macs at home will use it at work.  People who don&#039;t like the uncustomiable look of IE7 might try it.  People who are just interested in something different too. &lt;br /&gt;
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I&#039;d say those make a convincing case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>never gonna happen. apple has no chance of competing against internet explorer and firefox. what good is safari on win if nobody uses it?</i></p>
<p>First of all, web developers WILL use it.  I test my code on IE, FF, Safari, and Opera.  That&#8217;s a start.  It&#8217;s nice for a Mac user to not be told they must upgrade to IE 6 or greater when they visit their bank&#8217;s website.  </p>
<p>Secondly, eventually, people WILL use it.  People who use Macs at home will use it at work.  People who don&#8217;t like the uncustomiable look of IE7 might try it.  People who are just interested in something different too. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d say those make a convincing case.</p>
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		<title>By: J</title>
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		<dc:creator>J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jan 2007 07:41:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>never gonna happen. apple has no chance of competing against internet explorer and firefox. what good is safari on win if nobody uses it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>never gonna happen. apple has no chance of competing against internet explorer and firefox. what good is safari on win if nobody uses it?</p>
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